Thomas R. Schreiner, PHD, a theologian at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky since 1997, is on record opposing tithing as a New Covenant doctrine.
Dr. Schreiner earned his M. Div. and Th. M. at Western Conservative Baptist Seminary and his PHD at Fuller Theological Seminary (Baptist). He taught 11 years at Bethel Theological Seminary. He is a Pauline specialist and the author of 11 books and scores of articles.
His recent book, 40 Questions about Christians and Biblical Law, contains the follows excerpts from pages 219-220.
Page 220: "The tithe is irretrievably tied to the old covenant, which is no longer in force."
Page 220: "If tithing were normative today, it is difficult to know what God would require. I have noted above that the amount was not ten percent. ... Most of those who support tithing assume that the amount was ten percent, but Israel clearly paid more than this."
Page 220 regarding Matthew 23:23: "But we can no more take his words as a commendation for tithing today than we can his words about offering sacrifices."
Page 221: "Some of the principles with reference to tithing may apply to believers, but the practice itself is not required."
Page 221: "Even though tithing is not mandated, there is no call in the New Testament to hoard one's possessions or to live selfishly."
Page 221: "Still, the tithe itself is not mandated by Scripture, and Scripture is our rule and authority rather than a tradition that requires believers to tithe."
Monday, November 22, 2010
Thursday, November 18, 2010
Reply to Change Worth Making, 11-18-10
Tithing will not cease from our agenda until this false vestige of the Old Covenant law has been purged from our churches. It keeps the New Covenant church in legalism and draws the anathema of Paul in Galatians 1:7-9; 3:1.
Why should we want Ed Young. He is yours. All yours. He merely extends your false tithing theology to its ultimate conclusion. If it is such an important principle for the church, then admit it and join Ed Young. Otherwise admit error and drop it.
Concernng Kenneth Copeland, T.D. Jakes, Paula White, and all of the other prosperity preachers – isn’t it amazing that ALL of these theach tithing” That is where they STARTED going wrong. And do not forget Benny Hinn and John Hagee. Tithing is the leaven of the prosperity gospel and tithing leads to the other false doctrine.
Most preachers who preach 10% are willingly ignorant and do not want to discuss the matter because they would LOSE the argument every time with a knowledgeable Bible scholar.
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“This preacher could say that those who use, the “farmers, herdsman, cattle, sheep, produce, Israel, only arguments” as reasons not to tithe are being legalistic.”
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Incredibly opposite logic! While Genesis alone (before the Law) contains the word “money” 22 times, money is NEVER inclluded in any of the 16 texts which describe the contents of the tithe.
While YOU may not use the Law to teach tithing, but almost everybody else does. Take a look at the Baptist Faith and Message and look at the tithing texts used under Stewardship!
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“Those who rightly teach the tithe do not use the law to explain it. It is from those who don’t want to tithe that use the Law to avoid it.”
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Nobody can “rightly teach the tithe.” Abram’s tithe was only from pagan spoils of war in obedience to the law of the land. And Jacob’s tithe was an example of him telling God what to do. You have no valid pre-law or post-law principle for tithing which applies to Christians today. Give it up.
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“For someone to say that since the tithe was only for farmers, and herdsman, Christians have no responsibility to it; is like saying, since everyone in the Bible that gave were wearing tunics, and that’s not us, we shouldn’t be asked to give.”
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Tunics? What are you talking aaout? Farmers and herdsmen did not wear tunics! As a tentmaker working and living in pagan lands, Paul could not and did not teach tithing. You spiritualize the literal Word of God by redefining the tithe. We do not oppose giving. That is your paper tiger. We support generous sacrificial giving which often means MORE than 10%.
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“Too often they cannot discern the difference between a principle and a command.”
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Never can you defend your statement that tithing was/is a universal moral law. You would have the very poorest in society tithe first and do without essential medicine, food and shelter. Shame on you. Scratch 1 Timothy 5:8 out of your Bible.
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“When I preach that God gets the best and we live off the rest, and someone takes issue with that, why is it that no one examines their motives?”
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Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad….
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“Why doesn’t someone want to give God the best and live off the rest?”
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Do you ever read the Bible?
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad…
1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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“That being said, the entire circus of accusation, and distortion, is a detriment to the Christian ministry.”
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The entire pro-tithing circus of fals doctrine and distortion is a detriment to the Christian ministry. It does not harm those in John MacArthur’s ministry.
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“I’ve preached one series of messages on tithing and stewardship in the last five years. I have no idea who in this church practices tithing. I am not worried about it. We always have enough to do what the Lord leads us to do. I firmly believe that the Lord pays for what He orders.”
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In other words, YOU do not need to preach and teach tithing. What are you harping about then?
Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
SBC Yesterday Blogspot
Why should we want Ed Young. He is yours. All yours. He merely extends your false tithing theology to its ultimate conclusion. If it is such an important principle for the church, then admit it and join Ed Young. Otherwise admit error and drop it.
Concernng Kenneth Copeland, T.D. Jakes, Paula White, and all of the other prosperity preachers – isn’t it amazing that ALL of these theach tithing” That is where they STARTED going wrong. And do not forget Benny Hinn and John Hagee. Tithing is the leaven of the prosperity gospel and tithing leads to the other false doctrine.
Most preachers who preach 10% are willingly ignorant and do not want to discuss the matter because they would LOSE the argument every time with a knowledgeable Bible scholar.
………………………….
“This preacher could say that those who use, the “farmers, herdsman, cattle, sheep, produce, Israel, only arguments” as reasons not to tithe are being legalistic.”
………………………….
Incredibly opposite logic! While Genesis alone (before the Law) contains the word “money” 22 times, money is NEVER inclluded in any of the 16 texts which describe the contents of the tithe.
While YOU may not use the Law to teach tithing, but almost everybody else does. Take a look at the Baptist Faith and Message and look at the tithing texts used under Stewardship!
………………………………..
“Those who rightly teach the tithe do not use the law to explain it. It is from those who don’t want to tithe that use the Law to avoid it.”
………………………………..
Nobody can “rightly teach the tithe.” Abram’s tithe was only from pagan spoils of war in obedience to the law of the land. And Jacob’s tithe was an example of him telling God what to do. You have no valid pre-law or post-law principle for tithing which applies to Christians today. Give it up.
……………………………..
“For someone to say that since the tithe was only for farmers, and herdsman, Christians have no responsibility to it; is like saying, since everyone in the Bible that gave were wearing tunics, and that’s not us, we shouldn’t be asked to give.”
………………………………..
Tunics? What are you talking aaout? Farmers and herdsmen did not wear tunics! As a tentmaker working and living in pagan lands, Paul could not and did not teach tithing. You spiritualize the literal Word of God by redefining the tithe. We do not oppose giving. That is your paper tiger. We support generous sacrificial giving which often means MORE than 10%.
……………………………..
“Too often they cannot discern the difference between a principle and a command.”
……………………………..
Never can you defend your statement that tithing was/is a universal moral law. You would have the very poorest in society tithe first and do without essential medicine, food and shelter. Shame on you. Scratch 1 Timothy 5:8 out of your Bible.
……………………………..
“When I preach that God gets the best and we live off the rest, and someone takes issue with that, why is it that no one examines their motives?”
……………………………..
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad….
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“Why doesn’t someone want to give God the best and live off the rest?”
…………………………………….
Do you ever read the Bible?
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad…
1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
…………………………………….
“That being said, the entire circus of accusation, and distortion, is a detriment to the Christian ministry.”
……………………………………….
The entire pro-tithing circus of fals doctrine and distortion is a detriment to the Christian ministry. It does not harm those in John MacArthur’s ministry.
…………………………………
“I’ve preached one series of messages on tithing and stewardship in the last five years. I have no idea who in this church practices tithing. I am not worried about it. We always have enough to do what the Lord leads us to do. I firmly believe that the Lord pays for what He orders.”
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In other words, YOU do not need to preach and teach tithing. What are you harping about then?
Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
SBC Yesterday Blogspot
Thursday, November 11, 2010
Southern Baptists Help Promote Anti-Tithing Theology
Finally, finally, finally, there will soon be a book in bookstores everywhere presenting our viewpont about tithign. Seehttp://www.amazon.com/Perspectives-Tithing-Views-David-Croteau/dp/0805449779/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289482778&sr=8-1
Our good friend, David Croteau, is both editor and contributor. He evaluates all four views plus his own extensively. I suggest all of you buy this book and spread the word. For me it is a great breakthrogh.
This book is both publilshed and circulated by the Southern Baptist Convention's own press.
And it is very affordable.
Our good friend, David Croteau, is both editor and contributor. He evaluates all four views plus his own extensively. I suggest all of you buy this book and spread the word. For me it is a great breakthrogh.
This book is both publilshed and circulated by the Southern Baptist Convention's own press.
And it is very affordable.
Wednesday, November 3, 2010
GIVE YOUR CHURCH YOUR BANK ROUNTING NUMBER ADN ACCOUNT NUMBER FOR TITHE WITHDRAWAL
GIVE US YOUR BANK ROUTING NUMBER AND ACCOUNT NUMBER
Ed Young, Jr. Fellowship Church, Dallas, TX (Southern Baptist).
Watch the video for yourself.
Will the Southern Baptist Convention please stop this nonsencse? It gives Christianity a bad name and chases seekers out of your churches.
Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
www.tithing-russkelly.com
(Summary) “Pay your tithe with automatic withdrawal from your bank account. Give me (this church) your bank routing number and account number. See it on the screen.”
http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2010/11/02/texas-mega-church-minister-asks-members-for-bank-account-routing-numbers/
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2010/11/ed-youngs-tithing-sermon-show-me-money.html
http://www.jesusneedsnewpr.net/would-you-give-pastor-edyoung-your-banking-information/
Ed Young, Jr. Fellowship Church, Dallas, TX (Southern Baptist).
Watch the video for yourself.
Will the Southern Baptist Convention please stop this nonsencse? It gives Christianity a bad name and chases seekers out of your churches.
Russell Earl Kelly, PHD
www.tithing-russkelly.com
(Summary) “Pay your tithe with automatic withdrawal from your bank account. Give me (this church) your bank routing number and account number. See it on the screen.”
http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2010/11/02/texas-mega-church-minister-asks-members-for-bank-account-routing-numbers/
http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2010/11/ed-youngs-tithing-sermon-show-me-money.html
http://www.jesusneedsnewpr.net/would-you-give-pastor-edyoung-your-banking-information/
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
Reply to Jeff D on Tithing
Jeff D: The issue of tithing was not instituted under the Law …
Russ Kelly: If you spend time in a local public library you will discover that tithing occurred in almost all pagan societies long before Abram’s time. The definition of pagan spoils of war tithe and the HOLY Old Covenant tithe of the Law are very different.
Jeff: The King of Sodom is earthly and desires to honor Abram by giving him all the goods that Abram brought back with him (Genesis 14:21).
Russ: No. As a victor in battle, Abram was due ALL the spoils other than that which was required by the law of the land to the local king-priest. The King of Sodom had no authority in the matter but was hoping for grace from Abram.
Jeff: Abram refuses to take anything for himself and gives the King of Salem a tenth (tithe) of all he recovered (Genesis 14:20).
Russ: Abram was obeying well-known Arab tradition; he had no choice in the matter. The law of the land required him to tithe spoils of war.
Jeff: Tithing is a principle given before the Law and then brought into the Law just like murder.
Russ: In order for somebody to biblically give holy tithes today:
1. They must be a Hebrew living under the Old Covenant (Ex 19:5-6).
2. They must be a Hebrew living inside a holy land of Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
3. They must be a Hebrew and only tithe food miraculously increased inside a holy Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
4. They must give Levitical tithes of food to a holy Levitical servant-hood (Num 18:21-24; Neh 10:37b) who tithes to a holy Aaronic priesthood (Num 18:25-28; Neh 10:38).
5. They must not deliberately share their Old Covenant with Gentiles (Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
6. They must not use tithes to support the proselytizing of Gentiles Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
7. They must give tithes to Levites who have forfeited their right to own property (Num 18:21-28).
Jeff: Jesus said "Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished (Matthew 5:17-18).
Russ: You ignored 5:20-48 which quote all three portions of the Law. Gentiles were never under any portion of the Old Covenant Law. Hebrews are either under all of it or none of it as a covenant. For example, Ex 21:15, 17 commands you to KILL disobedient children.
Jeff: I am free from the curse of the Law
Russ: As a Gentile you never were under the curse of Israel’s Old Covenant law. Rom 2:14-16.
Jeff: The vehicle He used was Grace and along with His grace He gave us His Spirit.
Russ: His Spirit gave us the new law of love. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jeff: (Galatians 2:20). Grace now empowers me to live the life Gods Law demands.
Russ: Instead of the Old Covenant Law being written on stones, the New Covenant Law of love is written on our hearts. We obey God as new creations in Christ.
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Jeff: Sadly the very people who claim they are no longer under the Law but under grace have to a measureable extent cut themselves off from one of the very purposes the grace was given, to live a Holy life which we are commanded to do apart from the Law.
Russ: You cannot even define the way you are using the word “law.” In the OT the word “law” almost always referred to the entire set of 613 commands of commandments, statutes and judgments.
If you want to keep the Law, then keep ALL of it –all 600+ commands of it. If you want to keep tithing then keep all of the law of tithing. (1) Only tithe food from inside Israel, (2) only tithe to servants to the ministers, (3) only pay ministers one per cent, (4) tell ministers to KILL anybody else attempting to enter the sanctuary and (5) tell tithe –recipients that they cannot own property. That, my friend, is what the law of tithing teaches in God’s Word in Numbers 18.
Russ Kelly: If you spend time in a local public library you will discover that tithing occurred in almost all pagan societies long before Abram’s time. The definition of pagan spoils of war tithe and the HOLY Old Covenant tithe of the Law are very different.
Jeff: The King of Sodom is earthly and desires to honor Abram by giving him all the goods that Abram brought back with him (Genesis 14:21).
Russ: No. As a victor in battle, Abram was due ALL the spoils other than that which was required by the law of the land to the local king-priest. The King of Sodom had no authority in the matter but was hoping for grace from Abram.
Jeff: Abram refuses to take anything for himself and gives the King of Salem a tenth (tithe) of all he recovered (Genesis 14:20).
Russ: Abram was obeying well-known Arab tradition; he had no choice in the matter. The law of the land required him to tithe spoils of war.
Jeff: Tithing is a principle given before the Law and then brought into the Law just like murder.
Russ: In order for somebody to biblically give holy tithes today:
1. They must be a Hebrew living under the Old Covenant (Ex 19:5-6).
2. They must be a Hebrew living inside a holy land of Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
3. They must be a Hebrew and only tithe food miraculously increased inside a holy Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
4. They must give Levitical tithes of food to a holy Levitical servant-hood (Num 18:21-24; Neh 10:37b) who tithes to a holy Aaronic priesthood (Num 18:25-28; Neh 10:38).
5. They must not deliberately share their Old Covenant with Gentiles (Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
6. They must not use tithes to support the proselytizing of Gentiles Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
7. They must give tithes to Levites who have forfeited their right to own property (Num 18:21-28).
Jeff: Jesus said "Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished (Matthew 5:17-18).
Russ: You ignored 5:20-48 which quote all three portions of the Law. Gentiles were never under any portion of the Old Covenant Law. Hebrews are either under all of it or none of it as a covenant. For example, Ex 21:15, 17 commands you to KILL disobedient children.
Jeff: I am free from the curse of the Law
Russ: As a Gentile you never were under the curse of Israel’s Old Covenant law. Rom 2:14-16.
Jeff: The vehicle He used was Grace and along with His grace He gave us His Spirit.
Russ: His Spirit gave us the new law of love. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jeff: (Galatians 2:20). Grace now empowers me to live the life Gods Law demands.
Russ: Instead of the Old Covenant Law being written on stones, the New Covenant Law of love is written on our hearts. We obey God as new creations in Christ.
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Jeff: Sadly the very people who claim they are no longer under the Law but under grace have to a measureable extent cut themselves off from one of the very purposes the grace was given, to live a Holy life which we are commanded to do apart from the Law.
Russ: You cannot even define the way you are using the word “law.” In the OT the word “law” almost always referred to the entire set of 613 commands of commandments, statutes and judgments.
If you want to keep the Law, then keep ALL of it –all 600+ commands of it. If you want to keep tithing then keep all of the law of tithing. (1) Only tithe food from inside Israel, (2) only tithe to servants to the ministers, (3) only pay ministers one per cent, (4) tell ministers to KILL anybody else attempting to enter the sanctuary and (5) tell tithe –recipients that they cannot own property. That, my friend, is what the law of tithing teaches in God’s Word in Numbers 18.
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
Nobody Biblically Tithes Today
The answer comes from the biblical definition of “tithe” as only holy food from inside God’s only Old Covenant land of Israel which God had increased. Tithes could not come from what man produced, from Gentiles or from outside of Israel. Period.
In order for somebody to biblically give holy tithes today:
1. They must be a Hebrew living under the Old Covenant (Ex 19:5-6).
2. They must be a Hebrew living inside a holy land of Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
3. They must be a Hebrew and only tithe food miraculously increased inside a holy Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
4. They must give Levitical tithes of food to a holy Levitical servant-hood (Num 18:21-24; Neh 10:37b) who tithes to a holy Aaronic priesthood (Num 18:25-28; Neh 10:38).
5. They must not deliberately share their Old Covenant with Gentiles (Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
6. They must not use tithes to support the proselytizing of Gentiles Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
7. They must give tithes to Levites who have forfeited their right to own property (Num 18:21-28).
Christians may call giving 10% of their income “tithing” but it not does not meet the biblical definition or purpose of tithing. They are merely giving freewill offerings of 10% and calling such “tithing.”
In order for somebody to biblically give holy tithes today:
1. They must be a Hebrew living under the Old Covenant (Ex 19:5-6).
2. They must be a Hebrew living inside a holy land of Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
3. They must be a Hebrew and only tithe food miraculously increased inside a holy Israel (Lev 27:30-33).
4. They must give Levitical tithes of food to a holy Levitical servant-hood (Num 18:21-24; Neh 10:37b) who tithes to a holy Aaronic priesthood (Num 18:25-28; Neh 10:38).
5. They must not deliberately share their Old Covenant with Gentiles (Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
6. They must not use tithes to support the proselytizing of Gentiles Ex 23:32; Deu 7:2).
7. They must give tithes to Levites who have forfeited their right to own property (Num 18:21-28).
Christians may call giving 10% of their income “tithing” but it not does not meet the biblical definition or purpose of tithing. They are merely giving freewill offerings of 10% and calling such “tithing.”
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Comments on FLORIDA BAPTIST WITNESS Article
Comments on FLORIDA BAPTIST WITNESS Article
http://www.gofbw.com/news.asp?ID=11572
Undertaking stewardship education for the SBC
NASHVILLE (SBT)—There’s no denying that Southern Baptists individually, corporately, and as a denomination are lagging in exercising stewardship of God’s resources. While the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force recommends shifting primary responsibility for Cooperative Program promotion and stewardship education to state conventions, chairman Ronnie Floyd is counting on local pastors to teach individual Christians to honor God through tithing.
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Comment: Right. The responsibility should have never been otherwise according to the nature and purpose of the SBC.
Wrong. True biblical holy tithes were always only food from inside God’s holy land of Israel which He had miraculously increased. Although money was common even in Genesis and essential for sanctuary worship, money was never a tithe-able item. Jesus did not qualify as a tithe-payer and neither did all who lived outside Israel.
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“Remember, the only people who ever get offended with the declaration of biblical stewardship are the ones who give little to nothing at all to your church,” Floyd stated said in the news conference that followed the release of the task force interim report Feb. 22.
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Comment: This is an outright lie! The early church flourished without a tithing doctrine by using freewill grace giving principles. From Martin Luther to our times there are many top theologians and Bible schools which flourish without teaching tithing.
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“Christians need to repent of the sin of not honoring God with at least the first -tenth of their income,” Floyd said.
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Comments: Floyd is guilty of twisting scripture. In God’s Word the firstfruits and tithes are never the same thing. Firstfruits were very small token offerings per Deu 26:1-4 and Neh 10:35-37. Tithes were tenth-fruits counted after the full harvest or from every 10th animal (whether good or bad) per Num 18:21-28 and Neh 10:37-38. The first income of a Christian should be used to buy essential medicine, food and shelter per First Timothy 5:8.
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“Can you imagine the spiritual revival that would consume our churches if God’s people would obey God in giving? Can you imagine the opportunities of advancing the Gospel regionally, nationally, and globally if God’s people would obey God in giving?”
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Comment: Can you imagine how the church would be blessed if it obeyed God’s NT post Calvary principles of giving instead of Law principles?
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Seeking to discover “how Southern Baptists can work more faithfully and effectively together in serving Christ through the Great Commission,” the task force analyzed the means of funding that effort and reaffirmed the Cooperative Program as the preferred means of giving.
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Comment: The Great Commission brings the gospel to the Gentiles in the name of Most High God for all nations. The tithe was never used to convert OT Gentiles.
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Floyd added … encouraged pastors and churches to be unashamed in the teaching and preaching of biblical stewardship. . “Stand on the authority of the Word of God and call the people of God back to Him through the giving of the first tenth and additional offerings to your local church.”
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Comment: Again, OT tithes were never used for mission work to convert Gentiles. God commanded OT Israel NOT to intermingle with the Gentiles. In other words, POST CALVARY TITHING DOES NOT STAND ON BIBLICAL AUTHORITY. Nothing, absolutely nothing about OT tithing is followed by any church today. Numbers 18:21-28 is ignored. Pastors own and inherit property and they do not KILL those attempting to enter the sanctuary and worship God directly.
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“From the time I did my doctoral dissertation in the area of biblical stewardship until now, I have been astounded by the selfishness of God’s people,” Floyd said, recommending that every pastor preach a series of messages on biblical stewardship annually and reaffirm such principles in small group studies.
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Comment: I invite Floyd to enter into an extended in-depth dialog with me on the subject of tithing. He says he has already done the research for his doctorate.
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http://www.gofbw.com/news.asp?ID=11572
Undertaking stewardship education for the SBC
NASHVILLE (SBT)—There’s no denying that Southern Baptists individually, corporately, and as a denomination are lagging in exercising stewardship of God’s resources. While the Great Commission Resurgence Task Force recommends shifting primary responsibility for Cooperative Program promotion and stewardship education to state conventions, chairman Ronnie Floyd is counting on local pastors to teach individual Christians to honor God through tithing.
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Comment: Right. The responsibility should have never been otherwise according to the nature and purpose of the SBC.
Wrong. True biblical holy tithes were always only food from inside God’s holy land of Israel which He had miraculously increased. Although money was common even in Genesis and essential for sanctuary worship, money was never a tithe-able item. Jesus did not qualify as a tithe-payer and neither did all who lived outside Israel.
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“Remember, the only people who ever get offended with the declaration of biblical stewardship are the ones who give little to nothing at all to your church,” Floyd stated said in the news conference that followed the release of the task force interim report Feb. 22.
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Comment: This is an outright lie! The early church flourished without a tithing doctrine by using freewill grace giving principles. From Martin Luther to our times there are many top theologians and Bible schools which flourish without teaching tithing.
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“Christians need to repent of the sin of not honoring God with at least the first -tenth of their income,” Floyd said.
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Comments: Floyd is guilty of twisting scripture. In God’s Word the firstfruits and tithes are never the same thing. Firstfruits were very small token offerings per Deu 26:1-4 and Neh 10:35-37. Tithes were tenth-fruits counted after the full harvest or from every 10th animal (whether good or bad) per Num 18:21-28 and Neh 10:37-38. The first income of a Christian should be used to buy essential medicine, food and shelter per First Timothy 5:8.
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“Can you imagine the spiritual revival that would consume our churches if God’s people would obey God in giving? Can you imagine the opportunities of advancing the Gospel regionally, nationally, and globally if God’s people would obey God in giving?”
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Comment: Can you imagine how the church would be blessed if it obeyed God’s NT post Calvary principles of giving instead of Law principles?
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Seeking to discover “how Southern Baptists can work more faithfully and effectively together in serving Christ through the Great Commission,” the task force analyzed the means of funding that effort and reaffirmed the Cooperative Program as the preferred means of giving.
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Comment: The Great Commission brings the gospel to the Gentiles in the name of Most High God for all nations. The tithe was never used to convert OT Gentiles.
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Floyd added … encouraged pastors and churches to be unashamed in the teaching and preaching of biblical stewardship. . “Stand on the authority of the Word of God and call the people of God back to Him through the giving of the first tenth and additional offerings to your local church.”
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Comment: Again, OT tithes were never used for mission work to convert Gentiles. God commanded OT Israel NOT to intermingle with the Gentiles. In other words, POST CALVARY TITHING DOES NOT STAND ON BIBLICAL AUTHORITY. Nothing, absolutely nothing about OT tithing is followed by any church today. Numbers 18:21-28 is ignored. Pastors own and inherit property and they do not KILL those attempting to enter the sanctuary and worship God directly.
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“From the time I did my doctoral dissertation in the area of biblical stewardship until now, I have been astounded by the selfishness of God’s people,” Floyd said, recommending that every pastor preach a series of messages on biblical stewardship annually and reaffirm such principles in small group studies.
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Comment: I invite Floyd to enter into an extended in-depth dialog with me on the subject of tithing. He says he has already done the research for his doctorate.
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